Not how the inter-ethnic conflict between Blacks and Asians should be resolved.
Inter-ethnic tension between the Black and Asian communities has risen to the forefront of blogosphere discussion in the last couple of weeks, following several reports of violence between the two groups. In Brooklyn, five elderly Asian women were violently assaulted; some of their attackers, all of whom were Black teens, were turned in by their parents.
And in San Francisco, a 59-year old San Francisco man named Tian Sheng Yu, was brutally attacked while he and his son were out shopping last Friday afternoon; Yu died this morning following a head injury sustained during the attack. Prosecutors – who arrested the perpetrators (who happen to be 18-years-old African American men) after one turned himself in — note that the attack appeared to lack an obvious motive (such as robbery), and that Yu and his son may have been targeted based on their race.
Tian Sheng Yu, 59, died this morning following a brutal assault on Friday afternoon in the San Francisco area. Prosecutors are investigating whether this is a hate crime.
These are only the few of the many examples of Black-Asian tension that make the headlines; yet, (as many within both communities can attest) deep conflict and resentment between our two communities persists below the surface.
New America Media posted a commentary from 22-year-old Amanze Emenike, a Black man who was raised in one neighbourhood in the San Francisco area to target Asians and Latinos, not fellow Blacks, for petty theft and crime. Emenike argues that recent examples of violent and non-violent crime (apparently targeting Asians) are not symptoms of anti-Asian racism, but of economic opportunism.
If young people try to rob an old black person in Hunters Point, they usually don’t know who they are messing with and they can fall into beef with the victim’s family or community. Robbing African Americans, it’s more likely that the family will come back and harm the robber. So young people go after Chinese and Mexicans.
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The reason Asian kids are getting robbed is because there is an assumption that young Chinese kids on Third Street are filthy rich and have an i-Pod or laptop on them. To a young, broke black male, the appeal of nabbing a few hundred dollars from some Asian kid’s pocket is even greater during this recession. The young homies in Hunters Point need money for shoes and clothes.
It’s true that racism rarely manifests in the outright, pillow-case-wearing, cross-burning variety: most racism hides in the guise of economic misfortune and ignorance. After all, when Asian immigrants (from countries like China, Japan and Korea) landed in the West Coast, anti-Asian sentiment arose from fears that Asian “coolies” were taking jobs from hard-working White Americans. Anti-Asian hatred was then justified as backlash due to rampant unemployment, not rabid KKK-ness — even if the consequences of both forms of racism (such as discrimination, assault and even lynchings) were the same.
Here, Emenike argues that the targeting of Asians by young Blacks who have fallen into a criminal lifestyle is a matter of survival and opportunism. Fellow African Americans weren’t targeted because you didn’t know whose grandmama you might have just assaulted; but Asians, on the other hand, were fair game because not only were they unlikely to ever be able to track you down (because they aren’t part of your community), but they might have lots of cool Stuff(tm).
Yet, how is this not still racist stereotyping of Asians? Emenike’s sentiments describe the model minority myth to a tee — the justification that Asians should be targeted for crime arises from the presupposition that Asians are meek, mild-mannered and unassuming folks who have shit tons ‘o cash on their person. Moreover, Emenike demonstrates how petty criminals like those he grew up with dehumanize their targets; Emenike thinks about how Black victims are potentially family members of people he knows, whereas he has no problem not thinking about the consequences of his childhood crimes on the families of Asian victims. In other words, Asians (somehow) won’t really be affected by the crime, so we’re all fair game.
Now, this isn’t to say that the inter-ethnic tension between Blacks and Asians is a one-way street. Asians (as Asians will tell you) can be particularly racist against the African American community. Colourstruck hatred of dark-skinned people arose, independently, in many Asian cultures — and manifests today in a “light makes right” mentality that encourages distrust of Blacks amongst Asians (particularly more elderly Asians).
In addition, many Asian immigrants have made their money by being willing to enter economic niches generally not tapped by other entrepreneurs. Because of White flight and anti-Black racism that diminishes opportunities for Black small-business owners (when it comes to getting start-up loans, for example), Asian immigrants frequently have started small businesses in the virtually uninhabited commercial-sectors near predominantly Black residential areas; consequently, in many cities, Asian businesses tend to serve predominantly Black clienteles, where we are perceived as siphoning money from the Black community.
And then, there’s the purely American, directly conflicting stereotypes, themselves. Blacks are depicted in American media as ignorant, lazy, poor, and criminal (which they aren’t). Asians are perceived as meek, eager-to-please, upwardly mobile, and opportunistic (which we aren’t). We sit at the opposite extreme constrasts of racial stereotypes; and in one another, we resent and hate that which we are told they are, and that we are not. In other words, we’re buying into all the racist shit they’re saying about each other.
Couple all of that with a language barrier a mile thick, and you’ve got a recipe for a perfect storm of distrust, tension, and open hostility.
But, what we must realize is that the Black-Asian tension and hostility is not predestined. There’s nothing about our communities that require that we hate one another; indeed, it is the stereotypes, perpetuated by mainstream American culture, that fuels the rage and conflict between our communities.
And, rather than to talk about how both communities have internalized racism against the other community, we hide behind our own oppressions and make excuses about our own bigotry. Mundane conflict between our two groups makes for fodder on YouTube.
In the wake of crimes between Asian and Black communities, it is tempting to, as Brooklyn resident Tiffany Tan remarked, “[not] go near them”. But that self-imposed segregation will only exacerbate the problem, by allowing racist ideas and prejudice to fester. Instead, to end these rash of Black-Asian conflicts (some headline-making and some mundane), we need to address the root of the problem: why do our communities have beef in the first place?
In order to do that, we need to open the lines of communication between the Black and the Asian community, and address the racism that both our communities are guilty of internalizing. We need to talk about the reasons that we foster prejudice against one another, and the costs — in human lives — of that hatred. Only by interacting with (not isolating ourselves from) each other will we see how the real problem is not one another, but the racism that we collectively face.
Don’t forget the string of violence in that Philadelphia high school.
This isn’t so much a symptom of racial tension – but it certainly can cause more racial tension. This is more a problem of young black kids from poor neighbourhoods thinking it’s so damn fun to terrorise Asian immigrants.
thanks for this piece. i see your point, but as a black woman who was born and raised in san francisco amid a lot of ethnic tension between blacks and asians, i get what amanze’s saying. it certainly doesn’t excuse the behavior, by any means. targeting folks because of their race is incredibly prejudiced and inexcusable. but there are very real and unresolved interracial tensions in san francisco, many of which are exacerbated by location (black and asian communities are generally geographically, while white communities are often farther removed). again, i’m not offering this as an excuse, but as added context. it’s a classic case of divide and conquer, in my opinion, and one that begs for more interaction and leadership.
geographically closer*
Unsurprisingly, I’m troubled by this post, and the problem it raises. Frankly, the examples here involve violent and criminal African Americans who terrorize Asian American communities. There’s no reverse analogue here: no one considers Asian American entrepreneurship a criminal act, no matter how people disagree about its impact on poor Black communities.
Given this, this post strings together a spate of violent anti-Asian American hate crimes committed by African Americans in order to make a point about counterproductive Black v. Asian tension. I think this point is submerged in the same tired tropes of African American criminality that fuel our country’s news and entertainment media. I have nothing but sympathy for victims of violent crime, just as I sincerely hope that the relevant authorities prosecute all the perpetrators involved in these incidents. But I’m not interested in the pursuit of a dialogue on Black v. Asian tension that begins and ends with cracking down on the violent Black man’s criminal tendencies.
Amanze Emenike’s grotesque commentary should not be taken as a useful glimpse inside of anything but a sociopath, and as long as people generally associate that criminal mentality with Black masculinity, people like me need not engage discussions on inter-ethnic conflict. What’s the point?
Hello, ny name is Eming Piansay and I am the editor of YO! Youth Outlook Multimedia, the original producers of Amanze Emenike’s piece. I just wanted to let you know that would be re-publishing your post on our website, as well as on New America Media.
Hello, my name is Eming Piansay and I am the editor of YO! Youth Outlook Multimedia, the original producers of Amanze Emenike’s piece. I just wanted to let you know that would be re-publishing your post on our website, as well as on New America Media.
Yes—we are evil hateful, psychopathic beasts. There is no equivalent to the damage and violence and racism that we have single-handledly wrought on Asians. We are without redemption since our animalistic natures and violence makes it impossible for the more civilized Asians to engage with such loathsome barbaric Black people.
With all due sincerity, please don’t engage us. There is no point to any dialogue. Please leave our neighborhoods—they are White, Latinos and other Asian ethnic groups that you all can open business and live without having to brush against our sickening level of depravity and to be in constant fear and thus so unfairly defiled.
I don’t need to endure your judgment, your visceral condemnation and disgust with my race. I don’t need to communicate or try to apologize for every single Black person who has wronged Asians. We are unrepentant evil and a disgusting pox on the human condition. We get it. So leave us mired in our own filth—our experiences in America are too different– too Alien to be nothing other than hostile citizens who blessedly ignore each other. Our histories never intersected–there is no foundational or historical bridge that Blacks and Asians worked and lived together for very long periods—which makes dialogue or any pretence of understanding a waste of time. That is the best solution and I say this without rancor or sarcasm. The chasm is not meant to be bridged and I am not going to keep kneeling on broken glass and apologizing for being part of a race that is despised by everyone and has made the lives of Asians so unbearable in America.
Truthfully, the best solution is to actively work with Whites, other Asians and the police to ensure your safety. Reconsider living in all Black enclaves and find more hospitalable neighborhoods with minimal to no Black people.
I believe this is true for (conservative) East Asians, but is it true for Southeast Asians and South Asians?
Are black people more likely to attack Asians than white people, or is it that we only notice race when the attackers are people of colour?
The criminalization of young black men, and more increasingly women is good for business, the media, criminal industrial complex, politicians etc. Now I am not saying this to take away from what you are saying Jenn. The conversation that you are bringing forth is necessary, but honestly no one is interested having it in a constructive way. LL you seem like a nice person, and I understand your frustration, but Jenn is cool too.
Came across this on racialicious a site I have been banned from:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2010/04/20/dnt.college.student.stabbed.kovr
I didn’t post this for a tit for tat arguement, but honestly I have issues with some people in the comment section on CNN’s website accusing the victim of being racist against the assailant somehow.
When I go to collect rent in the hood I usually stop by one Asian owned store or another.
The owners (and workers) treat me well but they are quick to complain about those who live in the area.
Those who live in the area usually complain that, “Asians have taken all of our businesses”.
(But these people likely never owned anything)
IMOHO – This is more of a class issue than a racial issue.
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This is complex issue. An additional aspect is the prevalence of myths in both native-born and immigrant communities. There are persistent false beliefs that immigrant storeowners are given special permission not to pay taxes (NOT true), that they are eligible for special loans (NOT true – and indeed, many immigrant entrepreneurs get their start-up capital from friends and family, or from informal “lending circles” rather than formal banks).
Among immigrant communities, there are often rules or assumptions that are equally false — the expectation that most or all Americans carry guns; the concern that if customers are shopping in a group rather than ones and twos, they are planning to rob you, etc.
The persistence of these beliefs is really amazing; people seem very committed to believing them and I think emotion and economic fears often get entangled.
While it is neat to sum up that asian-black tension is a result two damaged identities marred by colonialism and white-supremacy, the context of so many confrontations exists within the realm of economic desperation created by inherently unequal system that deeply divides the ever-exploited working class by way of genders, sexes, races, etc.
It’s funny how jenn forgot to mention the killing of Latasha Harlins, a black teenage girl, committed by Sun Ja Do, a korean convinience store owner who was later found guilty of voluntary man-slaughter but never saw jail-time. The murder was committed over a bottle of orange juice.
As an undocumented immigrant from indonesia, who arrived as a child, It’s hard to imagine what racial conflict is like in an economically just america, it’s hard to imagine what myths and stereotypes would exist. Unfortunately my damned social position and conscience is continually informed by the sordid history of ‘justified’ and legitimate crimes committed by the hegemonic groups. Often times i accept the defeat in my head, and the only to seek empowerment is to dominate ‘something.’ Or to readily kneel on broken glass to beg for scraps.
there must be a better way to exist
@Hahahachu
The omission of the killing of Latasha Harlins was based on the intent of this post, although I realized after writing this post that, unintentionally, the post seems to refer exclusively to Asian victims of Black violence. Instead, my intention was to list the recent, *headling-grabbing* incidents of violence that have occurred between both groups in the last couple of weeks, and then to talk about the mundane tension that doesn’t make it into papers. Ms. Harlins’ murder is not among the latest incidents that have brought Black-Asian tension to the forefront of blogosphere discussion, although it did cause a stir when it happened.
In any event, I’m not sure why it would’ve been necessary to refer to Harlins’ death; the point of this post was precisely NOT to play oppression olympics.
I understand the intent of this post, but I think it was poorly executed. I think you should have written this post while being hyper-paranoid about perpetuating stereotypes about black criminality/danger/violence.
The top picture accompanying this post is also a really bad choice. Images are really powerful and frame the text that follows, and shouldn’t be added just for titillation. When images contradict the text, the message in the text gets lost.
This is an Asian American blog, and you have a large, introductory photo of “black versus Asian”. Combined with the common stereotype of Asians being pro-Asian and racist against black people, you already activate an expectation about what the post will be about. Furthermore, given the unintentional perpetuation of the stereotype of black people as criminals within the text, I’m not too surprised at people’s interpretations of this post.
I consider myself a liberal and a fair person. And so that means I won’t say the “safe” thing for fear of offending people. Yes, inter-ethnic tension is wrong as is violence. But in your attempt to address this issue, you’ve perhaps skirted the elephant in the room and instead, chose to bend over backwards to excuse VIOLENT criminal behavior of people who just happened to be black.
Perhaps in certain areas of the US, there ARE black-asian tension and if this tension is the reason for black-on-asian violent crimes, I ask you this, how come there aren’t any (or much) asian-on-black crimes? Tension or not, violent crimes (either for loot OR senseless) is always wrong. In your attempt to RATIONALIZE these crimes, you are spitting in the face of the victims of violent crimes. People have DIED. The family of the deceased honestly do not care what sociopolitical reason is behind this rash of black-on-asian violence and frankly neither do I.
In the case of the most recent murder of an elderly chinese immigrant in SF, the criminals who killed the man didn’t even rob him. They (the criminals) stated they just wanted to beat up someone to make themselves feel better. If that is the case, why did they choose the asian men out of all the people in the neighborhood? How many non-asians did they, the criminals, pass in the streets before they found the asian man to beat up?
There MAY be interethnic tension between blacks and asians but the majority of the violent perpetrators are black and you cannot avoid that.
I often disagree with people I know and do not know but I would never injure someone because of a disagreement or my own personal unhappiness. Conflict among people or any animals is natural. However senseless violence as a form of conflict resolution is something most people do not resort to. So in this particular situation, the fault lies squarely on the shoulders of the black criminals. And no, I do not believe all blacks are criminals. But at the same time, most of the senseless violent crimes against asians (at least in recent days) are done by black criminals. You cannot use “interethnic tension” as an excuse for violent crimes. That kind of rationalization hasn’t worked since the end of jim crow. To excuse black-on-asian violence with reasons garnished by sociological psychobabble is a violation of the civil rights of innocent people who may or have already fallen prey to violence.
The father and son duo in the recent SF case only wanted to go shopping on the weekend. Because two black teenagers wanted to vent their anger on a non-black person (that is a hate crime) , the father is dead and the son blames himself because he was the one who convinced his father to go shopping with him. That is just so incredibly unfair any person would be appalled.
I am not going to condemn all black people for the bad behavior of a few, that would be unfair. But at the same time, it would be unfair for anyone to judge poorly, the character of a person who chooses to avoid “dangerous/black” neighborhoods.
I forgot to mention in my earlier post that there seems to be a lot of misconceptions about asians and asian immigrants in the black community. They seem to think asian immigrants get some sort of special benefit that blacks are denied because asian immigrants can open stores after only living in the country for a few years.
I find such a myth to be quite frankly ridiculous. Racism still exists but institutionalized racism (as in the form encoded by law) no longer exists. ANYONE with the will, will find a way to succeed in the manner they wish. For the black community to malign asian immigrants with such a myth is to minimize the hard work of those asian immigrants as well as excuse their own indolence (and no I’m not saying ALL black people are like this. I’m specifically talking about the ones who believe in this myth)
The “government helps asians but won’t help blacks” myth is as ridiculous as the “government created AIDs to kill black people” myth. I think it ranks way up with with the “birthers” paranoia.
And yes, i AM aware of the history of blacks being used in medical experiments. But that no longer exists. Today, those in power are though predominantly white, no longer exclusively white. Neither is the president. It is no longer so simple for “the man” to victimize black people in this form and yet face no repercussion.
@Restructure
I agree that perhaps I should have been a little bit more wary of the Black criminality stereotype while writing, although there’s a conundrum between pointing out the criminal acts that HAVE happened to provoke this discussion regarding inter-ethnic tension and not trying to perpetuate the stereotype. I say, during the post, that we are internalizing stereotypes — and I make the point to reiterate that they are indeed stereotypes and not representative of the community. Further, I point out that what we need to do is move away from believing the stereotypes if we’re to get anywhere. Perhaps I didn’t do enough to emphasize these points, but I guess I just sort of assumed that folks would get that I wasn’t trying to say that all Black folks are criminals.
But at the same time, the recent examples include criminals who happen to have committed violent acts against Asian Americans. How can one refer to these acts while at the same time not promoting the stereotype? Short of making a mention of the Harlins murder, I’m not sure what more I could have done… perhaps you have some ideas?
As for the lead photo, I’m not sure I agree. The photo is intended to demonstrate (in a tongue-in-cheek fashion) how people view the tension, not to promote it. The piece is intended to be read as a whole, including witht the lead photo and the lead photo caption — and the thesis of the post (and the caption) are in direct contrast to the photo. In fact, the intention of the lead photo was to deliberately evoke the image of how we currently approach relationships between the Black-Asian community, so as to have something to contrast with. In other words, the intention was to evoke the stereotype, and then to challenge it with my post. Readers shouldn’t be taking the lead photos of the post as a literal summary of the post; since I’ve been writing posts with lead photos, most of the photos I’ve included have been ironic.
I will apologize that the post unintentionally refers to the headline-grabbing criminal acts that have made news recently, and I did a poor job of emphasizing that these exist in the context of the more mundane forms of conflict that exist between the two communities. I guess that’s what happens when I attempt to dash off a post at work. However, I do feel that the post DOES do a fair job of arguing my point that it should be about discarding those stereotypes, not hiding behind them. And, the only way to discard stereotypes is to first address them as such; I’m not sure that I agree that the post is so poorly written as to do nothing more than promote those stereotypes of Black criminality while offering nothing useful to address the inter-ethnic tension that arises as a consequence of those internalized stereotypes.
@jm
Wow, that’s a lot of stuff to address.
First of all, this post does not attempt to EXCUSE the recent criminals who perpetrated the crimes against Asians, but it does implore us to consider these examples as symptomatic of a larger problem. They are not isolated incidents but a trend; one that suggests that our communities suffer from serious misunderstandings, distrust and open hostility towards one another.
Yes, the most headline-grabbing examples of this conflict have been crime, but what we forget are all the day-to-day interactions that occur between Blacks and Asians that occur because of, and contribute to, the negative attitudes between our people. When Black clientele are verbally and physically treated like criminals for walking into an Asian-owned store (as they are — famously demonstrated by the murder of Latasha Harlins), and when Asians are verbally abused by Black residents who see them as racial opportunists and economic predators — we have a problem that only leads to more hatred, segregation and, yes, violence.
And don’t get it twisted, the violence occurs on both sides. We don’t hear about it because violence in our communities are underreported both to the authorities and the media, but just because of these recent examples I cited, one shouldn’t get the impression that Asians are unilaterally being victimized by Black criminals. As I said in the post, this isn’t a one-way street here — both our communities are guilty of racial stereotyping being allowed to rule our perceptions of one another.
The criminals that committed the crimes referred to in this post deserve to go to jail, but we shouldn’t just write them off as lone psychos. That does a disservice to this whole problem.
As for the “where there’s a will there’s a way, and there’s no institutionalized racism” — I flat out disagree. African Americans face severe racism that is still institutionalized in this country, particularly when it comes to stereotypes that they are criminal and irresponsible. The abysmal rates at which Black entrepreneurs receive bank loans can attest to that. While I’m not saying that Asians can waltz into a bank and get 500,000 dollars instantaneously, the stereotypes that we face affect us differently than they do African Americans. It is simply easier for an Asian entrepreneur to get a bank loan and start a small business.
I don’t know where the medical experiments thing came in… that’s pretty far afield from this discussion.
And just ‘cuz Obama’s Black don’t mean racism is dead.
I should point out that this blog contains a pie graph showing that a mere 2% of small business owners are Black while 6% of small busines owners are Asian. That’s an overrepresentation of Asians (compared to our national demographics) and an underrepresentation of Blacks (compared to their national demographics).
[...] I posted earlier this week about inter-ethnic tension between the Black and the Asian community. That post has garnered a bit of heat, much of it warranted. For one thing, I opened the post citing two examples of criminal violence perpetrated against Asians by Black offenders, and went on to quote a commentary written by a Black man who was raised to target Asians for petty theft. Although the intent of my post was to lay out some recent examples of conflict between the Black and Asian communities (and to go from there to describing how both communities are guilty of internalizing untrue racust stereotypes about one another), the post unintentionally left some readers with the impression that the tension manifests, almost exclusively, as violent crime perpetrated by Blacks against Asians, thereby perpetuating the very stereotype that Blacks are predominantly criminal. I certainly failed to balance the recent spate of Asian-targeted crimes with the murder of 15-year-old Latasha Harlins, who was killed by an Asian shopkeeper presuming Harlins to be a shoplifter. [...]
I really think you focused on the wrong part of Emenike’s article. At the very end, he states that there are cases where non-black people have become part of the Hunters Point community and are thus not considered potential targets. This speaks volumes and is a good starting point for solutions, such as building individual relationships.
It is sad that people continue to stereotype, but that’s not something that will ever go away.
I am retired military and spent a significant amount of time in Thailand, the Philippines, Korea, and Japan. Listening to fellow black military members talk about Asians made me realize just how racist and hateful blacks can be.
Blacks in general held (and hold) contempt for anyone who isn’t black and in this multicultural society of ours it just doesn’t fly. We can beat up on whites all day long but presently the most crude and racist comments and behaviors against Asians generally come from blacks which was concretely reinforced by my personal observations. This may not have always been true but it is the norm today.
My wife, who is of Korean descent (I met and married her here in the states…Charleston SC to be exact) was victimized by two black marines while we were Okinawa because she ignored their flirting and passes…and this was at the bx (store) on base. They leveled racist comments against her and got right into her face. She was scared to go to the bx alone for a very long time after that.
I have in-laws who owned a beauty supply store in predominantly black area of LA and they were robbed, their car vandalized, and shoplifting was rampant to the point where they just closed down.
Black on Asian…and others…crime is rampant today and I see no letting up.
I find it interesting, after reading some of these postings, how there is so much emphasis towards glossing over the real issue here which is increasing black on Asian violence. Your feeble attempt to “equalize” things by bringing up Latasha Harlins, something that happened nearly twenty years ago, I find comically weak. I have some understanding about how the shopkeeper felt because my in-laws were frustrated with the theft and crudeness and their black customer base.
No progress will ever be made by turning a blind eye or sweeping it under a rug. Quite frankly, you’ll find they, meaning blacks in this case, view this as a opportunity for exploitation…a sign of weakness if you will.
Institutional racism, as you like to dwell upon, is not nearly the toxic animal you claim it to be. Loans, as you mention, are based upon the ability…and willingness….to pay the money back. As a black coworker of my daughter proudly proclaimed…”blacks don’t worry about their credit”. This was coming from a black person…a very matter of fact statement that she made about her finances which she projected into the black population as a whole. If you know someone is going to be a poor risk…would you want to loan to them? I will be surprised if you say yes because I just don’t think you are that naive. But then maybe your are politically correct enough to convince yourself of this.
I find LL’s posting very insightful into the attitudes of black Americans. It isn’t about looking inward to address the problem within the general black American population…to raise themselves up the bootstraps…it is about attacking the messenger and denying the truth. This is exactly what is wrong in Oakland…and S. Philly h.s.
The deeper I look into this…the more interesting…even comical.. it becomes.
Reading such tripe as New American Media and one quickly realizes how the real issues are being downplayed in favor a short term feel good veneer. Meanwhile, underneath, the poison still flows.
Address the problem…take action. Small talk won’t accomplish anything.
Does anyone wonder why obama, who was so quick to run to gates’ aid and have a “beer summit” is silent on this? Does anyone wonder why jesse and al aren’t out here attending to the “problem”?
Get real. Wake up, smell the coffee…and then get to work.
Hmm, I am viet asian, go to a black college, hang out in black neighborhoods, but never encounter such hatred. Well, actually I got name-calling one, I got called a chink. I think most of the problems arise from people not willing to learn and explore about other cultures but persist on embracing stereotypes. It does not matter if a person is white, black, asian… It is always easier to box one’s self and not learning than going out there and learn.
Let’s see, Asians are MURDERED by blacks. But it’s okay because blacks are “discriminated” against and are justifiably angry.
The fact of the matter is one group, Asians, are physically attacked by the other group , Blacks, but everyone here is trying gloss over that.
There is NO equivalent attacks on Blacks by Asians. In fact, the only way to “balance” these physical attacks is to accuse Asians of being “evil” because they are willing to open stores in black areas. Imagine other peoples accusing blacks of being evil if they lived or opened stores in non-black areas.
So you can tell from the posts in this thread that blacks will simply encourage more and more of this violence by pretending that this is a “two-way” street.
Because this kind of violence against Asians is encouraged the only way to protect your family if you’re Asian is moving them as a far away from blacks as possible. Those Asians who are willing to live or run business in black neighborhoods are asking for it because they are too poor to live or open a business elsewhere.
I have realized that rather than the black criminality, it is the incertainty that is asked to be tuned down.
Are we at war? Why are you attacking us? We’ve done nothing to deserve that and so on and so forth.
We’re asked to stop those erratic crimes which are so detrimental to the readibility of intercommunity relationship.
Living in black neighborhood, people would be happy enough, paying a reasonable amount of cash for protection.
We’re basically asked to build our own black police or black mafia, whatever, they don’t care how we do it, they want to be at peace.
I can’t believe some of the flat out ignorance and STUPIDITY you have wrought Jenn and I mean from steveb and abc!! So because some angry black soldiers harrassed a woman and made angery comments and some stupid woman brags about her bad credit that justifies your b.s. generalizations?! The only thing laughable was your VERY arrogant,self-righteous,hypocritcal commentary and right let’s just ‘pull up our bootstraps’ because that just solves EVERYTHING if anybody is an obnoxious,racist,hateful asshole who can’t see the ‘truth’ and is in ‘denial’ it’s YOU!
And maybe the ONLY reason Asian store owners open up in those ‘rude’ black neighborhoods is because the ones you live NEVER allow them there asshole.
well, well, well cuckooforcoco…..for starters…she generalized, I didn’t. You do the math. Angry black soldiers? Nope, pig marines and they victimized my wife. Unfortunately, this was hardly an anomaly but rather ongoing.
You are certainly welcome to personally spew insults and attack me all that you want…but it won’t negate the facts. Interestingly enough, you provided no coherent or valid response…because you can’t. So, you can only do one thing, which is to attack the messenger…meaning me.
Gee, I suppose I should be surprised at this.
Not.
additionally, cuckoo…my in-laws left K-town and moved to OC and opened a store there.
Their clientele is isn’t black.
And they are making money.
Go figure.
sharpton is ranting to head to Arizona because of Arizona’s initiative to curb illegals.
Interesting. I wonder why he gives not even a mention of the increasing black on Asian violence and murders.
Anyone care to explain this?
Interesting. I wonder why he gives not even a mention of the increasing black on Asian violence and murders.
Anyone care to explain this
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I don’t think the author was attempting to use an asynchronous argument about the problems that Asians face with blacks. Apparently we are the bigger threat to Asian wealth building and success in America, and because Blacks are hypocritical animals, non-sentient race oppressors who have made the lives of Asians horrible, you have several thoroughly realistic options available that your respective ethnic enclaves which you all can easily instigate to stem Black infestation, criminality low morals, and genetic depravity.
Thus, I sincerely think the best strategy is to avoid the dangerous, awful, evil, hypocritical racist Black people. Find other neighborhoods that are not Black that will offer you all the safety and wealth building that you need. Work with the police and other Whites who loathe the infestation of Blacks to ensure that your neighborhood is safe. Please warn future immigrants as to which neighborhoods to avoid so that you all will not continuously be victimized by Blacks. Once you have harnessed these efforts for All East and Southeast Asian communities, you will successfully inoculate yourself from our loathsome infestation and will be free to continue to prosper as the super race that you all are by rights are prone to be.
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additionally, cuckoo…my in-laws left K-town and moved to OC and opened a store there.
Their clientele is isn’t black.
And they are making money.
Go figure.
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Excellent. The solutions are quite simple and easily rectifiable as noted above. Simply avoid Blacks—there is no need for dialogue to accommodate what you all perceive is placating Blacks at the expense of your own health and livelihood. Remove your groups from Black neighborhoods and find better, saner and healthier neighborhoods in which you all can reasonably thrive. Very Simple.
I read through all the posts and I’ve decided the best way to discuss this issue is to SIMPLIFY it. Instead of talking about how “disenfranchised” african americans are, why don’t we just look at what groups disproportionately represent the violent offenders? (Poverty doesn’t excuse violence. There are plenty of poor people and poor neighborhoods with relatively low crime.)
1. First of all, asian-americans aren’t the ones holding african americans down in american society. Last I checked, we don’t even get representation in movies/videogames/magazines/etcetc so I highly doubt the LONG history of racism in america is a result of anti-black sentiments on the part of asians. There aren’t even enough east asians in america to influence society enough to systematically deny african americans their dues. It’s not like asian-americans are the ones who make the rules of this society. In fact, as minorities go, we’re a much smaller population than african americans.
2.asian immigrants open stores in black neighborhoods because they’re unable to open stores in wealthier, i.e. WHITE neighborhoods. And trust me, given the choice, the asian store owners in black neighborhoods would much rather move away because black criminals (i’m not talking about ALL black people here, only the criminal elements of black neighborhoods) specifically target asian stores in their robberies. I doubt these criminals feel one iota of guilt when they rob/assault asian store owners because asians are supposed to be the ones “robbing” blacks.
3.Apologists are too quick to justify violence by black perpetrators with comments like “asian store owners treat blacks horribly”. Well, perhaps the asian store owners treat blacks horribly because they’ve had countless negative experiences with black people. I like black people just fine and have plenty of black friends. But then again, I live in a safe neighborhood and the blacks I know are all college educated. If I lived in a dangerous neighborhood that happened to be predominantly black and I also had a history of victimization by the hand of black perpetrators, I would probably become suspicious of black people too. We have to remember context. Nobody would be afraid of a black doctor or college student or a black professional of some kind. But MOST of us (except for those with a death wish) would be wary of black strangers in a notoriously dangerous neighborhood.
4.let’s also not forget that asians are not the ones denying blacks loans. It all depends on credit of the loan applicant. And frankly, most of the asians applying for loans have better financial records.
5.And honestly, I find your argument of “blacks are MORE discriminated against than asians” to be ridiculous. First of all, you’re playing the oppression olympics. Second of all, even if that WERE true, why should asians and asian-americans be penalized for being slightly less discriminated against? Will angry blacks only be appeased if the japanese internment camp and the chinese exclusion act are revived? If asians are stereotyped as dredges of society, will THEN angry blacks be appeased? Ugh your argument is……well it boggles my mind.
I’m frankly sick of people excusing black-on-asian violence because of historical injustices that blacks have faced. I say stereotype all you want (if you must) but don’t let it cross the line and become violence.
Let’s just say that yes, ALL asian store owners are horribly rude to black customers. My response is, SO WHAT? Since when did rudeness beget murders and assaults? If I lived in a redneck neighborhood where everyone treated me like a leper, does that mean I get to then go off and target random white people with violence?
This issue has been talked to death and I’m frankly sick of it because NONE of these discussions are productive. These conversations only serve to make black readers angrier and more convinced that asians are out to get them while conversely, asian readers like myself are continuously baffled by the overly obsequious bloggers who are content to take the side of any black criminal simply because blacks supposedly suffer more discrimination than asians.
ps
My earlier comment about “experimentation” was in reference to the obtainment of HeLa cell line and the tuskegee experiment as an example of black suffering in america. So yes, I acknowledge blacks have suffered discrimination/victimization even after racism is no longer the word of law.
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I do have black friends and I like black people as much as I like anybody else. However, whenever I breach the topic of violent crime with any black friend, we simply cannot agree. I feel a lot of the black people that I know are too quick to excuse black violence and I just don’t understand it. And I have to respectfully say I also don’t understand the perspective of people such as Jen.
@steveb
I know quite a few people in the military myself and I find it weird that black military personnel would jump at the chance to date japanese women (I know people based in japan) when they regard asians as “evil racist people”.
How many black comics frequently make fun of asians in ways that no other ethnicity can? I’ve heard black comedians bash asian men as wimpy and female black comedians bash asian women as having “little boy bodies”. The way they talk is so disgusting that I find it ridiculous that this very same group of people are always the first to cry racism. A major problem with the black sub culture is the belief that only blacks can be victimized and everybody else are the victimizer.
I will protest racism/discrimination of any form against anyone. But that doesn’t mean I won’t point out bad behavior when I see it.
As an African-American I cringe when I see shit like this happening, unlike Spike Lee, I believe that Blacks can be and are sometimes racist. They commit hate crimes like everyone else.
To call it anything else is just plain bullshit. No safe have should be offered to people who do and say stupid shit just because they are black.
I am so tired of all of this. As a black male who lives a proper life, I am frustrated with the cowardly acts from my community which make the whole group look bad. I believe all of these attackers should be given severe penalties. As for the tension between the communities, I think it goes very deep and am sad to say that there is no answer. Many blacks are frustrated with black asian relations. Historically, many blacks have felt a hatred from Asian store owners and the asian community. A feeling of being looked down upon while also feeling that Asians, while benefiting from a minority status, have tried to do everything to please the white community including dismissing past wrong doings. I read and understand how U.S. History has affected Asians. Many blacks feel, we are not the ones that dropped an Atomic bomb on you. We are not the ones that have turned your countries into dens of rings of prostitution where families sell their daughters. We see a society where Asian men can not even find a mate because the Asian culture has taught their women that whiteness is the ultimate thing to achieve in life at all expense. When you combine this mentality into neihborhoods with blacks who have a totally different history, you are going to have problems. I truely hope the violence stops and personally would defend any Asian person I saw being attacked by these black opportunist. These black men need to be held accountable. Self pride as humans is where it all centers.
By the looks of the comments here and the other post you made ms jenn, many would have you believe blacks are the most racist violent people on earth, and you should stay away from “them” as much as possible lol.
I chuckle at LL…Asians should get out of black hoods. And just who will take their place and start up businesses?
Blacks?
Sure…and the moon is made of cheese.
well, “chris the black male who lives his life proper”, you are wanting to attack whites for Asian prostitution.
Hardly. The greatest number of sex tourists in Thailand, Vietnam, and the Philippines are Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans. It ain’allt just white males, bud. In fact, white males are a distinct minority.
How U.S. history has affected Asians….right. Shall we talk about N. Korea vs. S. Korea? Who is better off? Shall we talk about Nanking? Shall we talk about China’s Cultural Revolution? Shall we talk about how Japan invaded Korea and commenced to destroy Korean culture?
Shall we talk about Tibet?
Which country has men who can’t find mates because white men are stealing “their” women? Please cite references.
You are attempting to denigrate and create cause/effect when you have no foundation to stand on.
Having lived in Japan, I am well aware of a fringe sub culture of Japanese girls who date blacks and virtually all, but not all although I didn’t see any who weren’t, are truly sluts of the lowest caliber. You can see them a mile away by their attitudes/behaviors/crudeness/dress/makeup and I wouldn’t have touched any of them with a ten foot pole. There are in fact quite comical.
You’ll also find that virtually all rapes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan are black. I wonder why that is.
chuckle at LL…Asians should get out of black hoods. And just who will take their place and start up businesses?
Blacks?
Sure…and the moon is made of cheese.
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What’s there to laugh at? You despise Black people. You obviously feel that we awful Black people have made your collective lives hell in this country and globally due to the ongoing unremitting violence here and the rapes in Japan and the Philippines by us animals. Your characterization of us must be correct since many Asians find Blacks a problem in their countries and obviously here in America. I hear enough about how we are race hypocrites and losers from Asians and Whites to know that your sentiment is hardly unique.
Taking a page that Whites have done for immemorial would be quite applicable to your problem since you feel that Blacks have Asians under siege. Asian Flight is the answer thus leaving Black neighborhoods would be penultimate step in protecting yourselves against our loathsome crime ridden hate filled presence.
Also, why would you care what businesses replace Asian ones since we are too stupid, criminal and defective to make any black owned business in a black community thrive. That’s not your problem. Truly the best way is to segregate from what you feel is s threat to your very existence in America, whereas you can still open a business somewhere else since you all are on par with Whites and modest Hispanic, Asian and White communities would certainly be happy to patronize your businesses and you would be free of anti-Asian sentiment and the threat of Black hate and violence. There are Poor Hispanic and White neighborhood that can provide the space and customers you need—and since it is a conscious choice going into a Black neighborhood and Black people certainly aren’t forcing you to open a business there—you have far more options then not. Your best defense against our infestation is to remove yourself from our presence.
Once again very simple.
Hey Steve B. I am sorry if my words offended you. I too, through the military, have passed time in Asia. I remember at ports receiving information about women for sale from commanding officers. It was though we had just pulled up to Disneyland or something. I even remember them teaching us a word like “Farang” or something like that which referred to white males in that region. It is my experience that while I was in the service, the military did promote this kind of behavior. I believe that this behavior was brought back to America. In my opinion, it is sad that our beautiful San Francisco allows sex trafficking to exist in Massage houses and other fronts for Asian prostitution. I believe that Asians have been victimized by many people,like you said, including themselves. By the way, I find it interesting that any time males find women that are not attracted to them, they automatically become sluts. I have also heard of the violence black service men have brought against Japanese women. That is sad and in my opinion is just another addition to American brutality over seas. I saw on 60 minutes where American professionals including doctors go to Cambodia to participaate in the child sex trade. These professionals were not black but that is besides the point. Violence is violence and they all should have their johnsons cut off. It is an attitude that persist still today over seas and at home that could make for an interesting sociological examination. By the way, the men I spoke of without mates were right here in California. Not only have I read about the issue of Asian guys without mates but also have plenty of Asian buddies that complain about the lack of available ladies. I guess you could say that a similar thing is happening with the black man and white female. Please do not call the white women that participate in this sluts. Women deserve better treatment. To connect back to my original point, I feel blacks have a misunderstanding of what Asian culture is all about. I myself respect their drive and commitment to education. Unfortunately, too many in my community see the asians only through the stereotypes as being weak and willing to sell out to the white man. Is this right? Certainly not but in my opinion that is why some of these idiots justify the violence toward them. What a mixed up society we live in.
Ok. This is the exact kind of hyperbole and innuendo I hoped to avoid. No one is helped by crazy ranting that assumes that all African Americans are likely to commit violent crime.
I have no problem with anger at individuals who victimize citizens – no one should excuse hate crimes the hate crimes and robberies listed in this post. But no one has – not Jenn, and certainly none of the commenters here.
So assuming that all African Americans or African American culture is responsible for the actions of a few isn’t just illogical and sad, it’s racist. That is the exact type of racism this post and it’s follow up was trying to interrogate.
People here should calm down.
@ chris
“Asians, while benefiting from a minority status, have tried to do everything to please the white community including dismissing past wrong doings.”
I find what you wrote interesting but this type of belief among some blacks is very baffling to most asians because asians do not believe we benefit from “minority status”. In fact, asians get NONE of the “luxuries” that most minorities get. We don’t get affirmative action and in today’s society, it is still acceptable to use anti-asian racism as a form of humor. In movies, the so-called “yellow face” is still acceptable whereas “black face” would create a huge scandal. Trust me, asians are stuck behind a rock and a hard place. We are not white, but also not thought of as a “minority” even though we’re the smallest group among the major minority groups. In the discussion of race in america, asians usually don’t even warrant a mention. During elections, when talking heads speak of the black voting bloc, we asians are reminded that we have very little actual political influence. And yet, most asian people simply live their life normally. If by living peacefully among white people is “sucking up to white people”, then so be it. It’s certainly better than sequestering ourselves in enclaves (Chinatown these days have less and less Chinese people come to think of it. And chinese americans rarely live in chinatown beyond the first immigrant generation).
And finally, I’ve heard of the “asian guy can’t get dates” claim. I find that skeptical. In my opinion, any man who claims he can’t get a date should simply work harder instead of copping out by blaming his race. No woman likes a loser like that. When asian men claim they can’t get dates, they usually mean they can’t get WHITE women. That is an entirely different problem altogether. The fact of the matter is, there are tons of men of all ethnicity who blame their dateless status as a result of something beyond their power.
Men who excuse their failure in obtaining a mate on the “fact” that all women are “gold-diggers”. Or that women are “sluts” and only like “hot guys”. or some other BS like that. These claims are usually hypocritical (EX: the guy who bashes women as gold diggers only want to date young 20-something year olds).
The race stereotypes in america has made it seem like asian men are un-masculine and therefore unappealing to women. But I’d like to point out there are countless men in asia who do just fine and are in fact, preferred by many asian women. And though there are less asian male-white female couples than asian female-white male couples, so what? People are individuals and they typically date individual people rather than an entire race. I would want to date Kaneshiro takeshi but that doesn’t mean I’d date just any random guy off the street. I think the problem has less to do with race than how the person presents himself.
Er…I meant to say “stuck between a rock and a hard place”. I don’t know why I typed “behind”. I’m sure I have countless typos in my earlier comment. Obviously it’s time for bed.
“We see a society where Asian men can not even find a mate because the Asian culture has taught their women that whiteness is the ultimate thing to achieve in life at all expense.”
I’ve definitely heard of this. But it’s only true for some people rather than asian society itself. In fact, I know from experience that vast majority of asian people do NOT “aspire” to snag a caucasian mate. Most asian people, if truthful, will admit their family would prefer they get an asian mate. THis is true in america as well as abroad. HOWEVER, most asian families do NOT discriminate against whites, and so marrying/dating a white person is an acceptable alternative to an asian person. It’s really less of a “preference” for whites but rather a lack of “discrimination” against whites.
There are of course outliers. I’ve met two asian-american women (note: they are NOT “asian women of asia”) who say they’ll only date white guys. But statistically, they’re a drop in the bucket.
The idea that “asians aspire to become white” is really a huge myth. I think this myth is a result of high intermarriages between asians and whites and it’s really unfair. Why don’t people conclude that whites aspire to become asian due to the high intermarriage rates?
The thing is, though asians have nothing against whites, most of us would choose to be asian rather than white given the choice. Why is that? Some of us think whites began to look old at a much earlier age than asians. Some of us feel caucasian features can be “too big”. If you watch anime, you’ll notice a distinct preference for smooth delicate features rather than large features. Obviously some asian people find such features to be appealing, but liking something is different from WANTING something. I think angelina jolie’s big lips looks awesome on her but I would cry myself to death if I had her lips.
“By the way, I find it interesting that any time males find women that are not attracted to them, they automatically become sluts.”
…..really? I’ve never heard/experienced that and I’m asian-american. I hear this is more of a problem in the military rather than among “asian men” in general. I read in the news that women in the military are labeled “sluts” or “d*kes” or “bitches” depending on how receptive she is to the men. That’s of course unfair but I blame that on the military macho-culture rather than asian men.
Ohhhh…I finally understand the “slut” reference. Chris was responding to steveb.
Well, I AM aware of the japanese subculture steveb was talking about. Ganguro girls right?
I would not label them “sluts” because I believe women should be the only owner of their sexuality. That said, ganguro girls really DO behave much differently than your typical “respectable” japanese woman.
They’re a sub-culture that worships black-american culture and the girls of that subculture seek out black men. They’re also more obvious with their sexual relationships with men, which isn’t typical of women in japan or of women, PERIOD. In much of asia, it’s not common for people in romantic relationships to be all touchy-feely in public. And most women certainly don’t “pursue” men. Ganguro girls are the antithesis to that, which is why a LOT of people consider them to be “sluts”.
In japan, if a guy were to introduce a ganguro girl to his family, I imagine his parents would have a heart attack.
@ steve b
Wow, I missed this comment when it first came out. What the hell is this all about? Why are you incredulous at the notion of black entrepreneurship?
Buying into racist stereotypes, perhaps?
@steveb and jm
I have a fairly lax comment policy, but I don’t think the discussion is helped by the perpetuation of the stereotype that ALL (or even most)crimes experienced by Asians are committed by Blacks. Certainly the statistics don’t bear that out.
I find that kind of generalization misleading and offensive. It’s also divisive as all get out — it’s one of the very reasons there are tensions between our two communities.
Jm. You are well spoken and I appreciate your take. I think different cultures do need to share their views. There is much we can learn from each other. As this is suppose to be a forum on violence by Blacks against Asians, it can quickly turn into something else. I also believe Asians are overlooked in the American society. Steve b and I quickly took the conversation back to black white relations which seems to be societies focus and that is wrong. As I said, I have a big respect for asian cultures. I have traveled and lived in many locations. I studied martial arts for years and enjoy reading about Asian history. It is amazing how many contributions Asians have made here since the Gold Rush days but few hear about it in our local history. I think more blacks need to be exposed to communiction between the two groups. I think this will take some opening up on the Asian communities side as well. As blacks, we are an open book and express ourselves loudly. Sometimes too loudly some might say. Maybe if these young men took the time to realize the value we all bring to this society, they would not attack others the way they do. Especially those they perceive to be weak like women or cultural groups that tend to carry themselves in a quieter manner.
By the way JM,while I appreciate your honest feelings as an Asian male, it is interesting how we see things different. You have never seen men call women out of their name because they could not pick them up. I see it all the time. It seems to be a man’s self defense to his feelings that if he is rejected, there must be something wrong with the girl. I also hope that you do not promote the feeling that you spoke of that all girls that date black men are of low morals. Some might be but certainly not all. I think black males and Asian females share many stereotypes in our society. We both are said to have certain sexual skills that other racial groups seek out. We also suffer from those steeotypes at times as well. We definitely participate in interracial relationships more than other groups which is seen by some as self-hatred. After posting yesterday, I read back and found out that Steve B is married to a Korean. While I do not agree with what he says, I am sure this guy has experinced things I never have. There is the racist perception that white guys and asian women have this disfunctional post war relationship where the white man is in power and his wife is the servant wife. The whole suky, suky, fuky fuky thing. I also know people that promote the idea that black males with white women come from the forbiden fruit scenario where the white woman who heard of the black mans physical endowment finally gets a chance to experience this mystery. These feelings do exist in our society and I am not one to walk through life with blinders on. As I said before, we live in a complex world.
‘In fact, asians get NONE of the “luxuries” that most minorities get.”
Oh sure blacks and other minorities have so much more luxuries over asians huh……………………..
Chris, and Jenn…understand where I am coming from. Bringing black/white into the mix is not what I’m doing. What I wrote about the Japanese girls who date blacks is that they are a small fringe culture that embrace…and I mean embraced…the act and look. And I think you know exactly what I am talking about.
As far as black male white female…it isn’t the consistent dynamics as with the Japanese. I don’t denigrate any interracial union, that is a personal choice. I simply stated you could see the Japanese a mile away from their attitude and appearance. I use to chuckle a this and it is true, I think they are a total turnoff. Eventually, I assume they will hopefully eventually grow up because those women look rode hard and put away wet…virtually without exception.
My own wife does not desire to be white and I don’t desire to be Asian. I know of no Asians who want to be white and I personally don’t know of any whites wanting to be Asian. But no doubt some exist…there are always people on the fringe. There is no real advantage in either case..we are what we are. She didn’t marry me because she wanted her children to look more white and I didn’t marry her because I wanted our kids to look more Asian. Interestingly, Asians think they look white and whites think they look Asian. In any case, the DNA combo has worked out very well.
Getting back to black violence on Asians…I can speak from family experience that it is out of whack given population representation. We can discuss percentages all day long but it has to be balanced by percentage of total of population. It becomes more complex because of locale considerations but the fact of the matter is that blacks do more violence on themselves and others given population size than any other group. I defy you to prove otherwise. I should also temper this by saying black Americans….because I have no reason to believe black Africans are inherently more violent because I haven’t researched it…other than some reading about black violence in S. Africa. But I do believe black American culture is inherently violent and dysfunctional proportionately despite the Bill Cosby type shows which try to paint a different picture of black culture. There was a time when blacks were painted into a corner….now I believe they paint themselves into a corner and they need to develop the tools to get themselves out of the corner. Assaulting others is not a practical or desirable tool…but it certainly appears to be the tool of choice.
JM…why would you cry yourself to sleep if you had Jolie lips? That makes no sense…I know plenty of Asians with big lips…what difference does it make? I guess we don’t have to worry about you getting your lips enlarged, eh? Maybe to appear more black?
Minority status…my wife hasn’t enjoyed any benefits and neither have our daughters (unlike obama) so I’m confused as to the claim about Asians enjoying special privileges. If anything, Asians are on the outside as is evidenced by college discrimination to provide for the rest, including whites, to have greater access. Reagan, when he was governor of CA, was questioned about the concern that the student body at UC Berkeley would be all Asian if AA was canned…he responded “I don’t care if every seat is taken by an Asian as long as they have earned the right to be there.” We will never, ever hear the likes of obama saying this. In other words…meritocracy and lets be honest, Asians..not all (I know plenty of Lao and Khmer who are anti-education)…are given the tools and expectations by their parents to excel academically proportionately speaking.
There has been discussion about the glass ceiling for Asians in corporate leadership positions…something I certainly have observed but most of it isn’t because of being Asian but rather about being relatively vertical thinking. But nevertheless, it is a reality.
So, no, I do not believe Asians have minority status without minority trimmings. But I also believe despite all the ballyhoo about white privilege, it is overstated by those with a racialized agenda.
Jenn…I have in-laws in K-town (some have moved out) and trust me, these people are merely responding to the situation they bought into with the business they had…and now have. They, for some reason (maybe you can clue me into as to why since you want to justify behaviors), they are now able to turn a profit and actually get along with their customers.
I suppose I could discuss the nail salon next to their old business with an almost exclusive black clientele and ran and staffed by ethnic Chinese. The environment there (I took our daughters there when we were headed to Maui via LA) was chilling if not downright toxic. I have never observed so demanding and demeaning customers to the nail techs as I did there. And then when we left a tip…it was like a whole new experience. Can you explain this? I think the techs were bending over backwards to appease what I consider abuse.
I chuckle at LL…Asians should get out of black hoods. And just who will take their place and start up businesses?
Blacks?
Sure…and the moon is made of cheese.
Wow, I missed this comment when it first came out. What the hell is this all about? Why are you incredulous at the notion of black entrepreneurship?
Buying into racist stereotypes, perhaps?
Racist stereotypes? Nah…but tell me, why aren’t blacks opening these businesses? Why are they not being as industrious about opening small businesses? Why are they leaving it up to the Koreans and others to do so…and then complain about it?
Entrepreneurship? Again…proportion to population. I’m not incredulous about anything…it is just a simple fact.
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Racist stereotypes? Nah…but tell me, why aren’t blacks opening these businesses? Why are they not being as industrious about opening small businesses? Why are they leaving it up to the Koreans and others to do so…and then complain about it?
Entrepreneurship? Again…proportion to population. I’m not incredulous about anything…it is just a simple fact.
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How would you know anything about Black people, but your racism and disgust for Black people keeps shining through? This press release the Census shows that Black owned businesses in Black neighborhoods and elsewhere has actually increased despite the rampant racism in securing a small or medium sized business. but how would you know that since you don’t know any real Black people, but the few that represent your idea of rampant pathology: From a simple Google search since your too lazy and racist to see actual gains in the community, from the Census Bureau’s as of 2006 here are the facts:
Businesses
$92.7 billion
Receipts for black-owned businesses in 2002, up 30 percent from 1997. The rate at which black-owned businesses increased their receipts was higher than the national average (22 percent).
1.2 million
The number of black-owned businesses in 2002, up by more than 370,000, or 45 percent, since 1997. An estimated 94,862 such firms had paid employees, with receipts of $69.8 billion or about $735,586 per firm.
• Thirty-eight percent of black-owned firms were in health care and other service industries; health care and retail trade accounted for a fourth of their receipts.
• A fourth of the businesses in Washington, D.C., were black-owned. Black-owned businesses accounted for between 12 percent and 15 percent of firms in Maryland, Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana.
• Black business owners were more likely to hold graduate degrees when they started or acquired ownership in their business (about 1-in-4) than the national average (19 percent).
• Asian and black business owners were more likely to hold graduate degrees when they started or acquired ownership in their business (about 1-in-4) than the national average (19 percent).
• Or how about the ffact that even with these figures, Blacks are still being discriminated which makes it that much harder for Blacks to make legimate gains in this country:
• Loans handed out to struggling small businesses as part of President Barack Obama’s stimulus package have largely shut out minority businesses — especially those owned by Blacks and Latinos — according to data provided by the federal government’s Small Business Administration (SBA) to New America Media (NAM).
• The Obama Administration does not report the racial breakdown of who’s benefiting from these loans at Recovery.gov, but data obtained by NAM from the SBA found that of the 4,497 ARC loans where the race of the borrower was reported, 4,104 (over 91 percent) went to white-owned firms, 140, (3 percent) went to Hispanic-owned businesses, and 151 (3 percent) went to Asian- or Pacific Islander-owned businesses. Only 65, (1.5 percent) went to black-owned firms.
• Overall, white-owned businesses received over $130 million in loans through the program, while Hispanic-owned businesses got $4 million and black-owned businesses less than $2 million.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=d40e83db3ee2eb66d27effb8a50ac34f
• From the fourth quarter of 2007 through fourth quarter of 2009, the total number of non-agricultural self-employed people fell. But the number of self-employed Blacks increased 5.7 percent. In contrast, the number of self-employed Whites decreased 3.4 percent, self-employment among Asians decreased 10.5 percent, and self-employment among Latinos remained flat.
• Black self employment had been growing much faster than White self-employment. Though he measures self-employment differently from the BLS data described above, analysis by Professor Rob Fairlie at the University of California at Santa Cruz shows that between 1990 and 2006 the number of Black self-employed increased 58 percent, while the number of White self-employed only increased 6 percent.
• Moreover, the 2008 U.S. Global Entrepreneurship Monitor Report shows that Blacks “have higher levels of start-up activities than whites (13.9% vs. 8.4%) while having significantly lower rates of established ventures (8.1% vs. 1.8%).” Perhaps the strong growth trend in Black self-employment resulted in increases during a period when other races experienced declines.
• Historically, Blacks have been more likely than Whites to be self-employed in personal services and have been less likely than Whites to be self-employed in construction, manufacturing, and finance. The recession’s effects were much worse in the goods sector, especially manufacturing and construction, than in the service sector. The differences in the industry distribution of self-employment across racial groups might account for the increase in self employment among Blacks and the decline among Whites.
• Alternatively these patterns could be the result of how the labor market treats different racial groups. As Rob Fairlie of U.C. Santa Cruz speculates, “With fewer opportunities for wage and salary jobs, minorities may be increasingly turning to self-employment.” Implicit in that statement is the view that when employment gets tight, job losses fall harder on Blacks than on others, leading them toward self-employment at a faster rate.
http://smallbiztrends.com/2010/02/black-self-employment-rose-during-the-recession.html
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But hey but we are low IQ wastrels. The worst type of subhuman to be born on this planet. We are harbingers of death, diseases, violence and have single-handedly made Asian Americans lives a complete and utter misery. Well then since you find our presence so obscenely objectionable, then not only should you leave our neighborhoods, but I honestly think your best bet is to arm yourselves and take the necessary action and also align yourself with other Whites, Asians, Hispanics, and Native Americans who have claimed a visceral dislike and hatred for the mess that is African American and implement a final solution or simple annihilation.
After all, once you all have eliminated us from your presence as the sub-human alien species that you think we are—then Asian Americans will prosper and multiply right. You all will be free of racism, whining, hypocrisy and violence. So please, actively pursue the means to salvage your race—and have the courage to loudly state your hatred and do the work necessary to ensure that we don’t infect your race, culture and livelihood anymore.
steveb, if you’re gonna talk ‘statistics’ and ‘facts’, at least try to look at the bigger picture. Yes, blacks may have a large percentage of criminals, but they also have a large percentage living in poverty and the recession has hit them harder than any other ethnic group. Studies have linked poverty and crime, and violent behavior has more to do with surroundings and upbringings and less with skin color. Many blacks do condemn these acts of violence, and most of them try to live normal lives (despite the constant difficulties of institutionalized racism) like you and me and are not hateful toward non-blacks.
While I have no sympathy for those criminals who attack innocent people, they do not represent the black community any more than the Hutaree militia represent white people as a bunch of crazy gun-toting fundamentalists. The gist of this is that while the media is quick to latch onto news of black violence, there are no humanizing or uplifiting stories to counter this negative imagery and it becomes ingrained into the public psyche. In order to overcome this negative programming, both Black and Asian communities need more dialogue and interaction, not isolation.
LL, you seem like a very intelligent person. People might take you seriously if you drop the condescending tone.
Goddamn, this shit went downhill fast. I feel sorry for you, Jenn.
Well, LL, explain percentages….those statistics are all over the board and contradictory at best. Meaningless in the face of reality because they will be skewed for political reasons and you know it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY2S3wdFVY
enough said.
Leon…blacks need to rethink their approach with others across the board. It ain’t just Asians American blacks are having issues with…Hispanics, whites, even Africans.
It is not a two way street but rather American blacks need to create more than just cheap talk…and they need to start with each other because when you don’t even respect your own group (through behaviors and actions) aside from lip service, then you won’t accept other groups. Fix yourselves first…the rest will fall into line.
Leon…you are using the same old tired arguments that no longer work. Blaming it on society is no way to go through life. Time to quit talking and actually do something about yourselves.
Leon…you are using the same old tired arguments that no longer work. Blaming it on society is no way to go through life. Time to quit talking and actually do something about yourselves.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/28/BA9G1D6APO.DTL&tsp=1
People might take you seriously if you drop the condescending tone.
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Why should I be more amenable to a posters who has no trouble using obnoxious, vile generalizations and assumptions to highlight endemic Black pathology. He sees us as holding Asians hostage. He clearly sees Blacks as impeding on his community’s ability to thrive—thus why shouldn’t he receive the same blistering contempt that he so liberally espouses at Black people. I mean its all our fault after all.
Well, LL, explain percentages….those statistics are all over the board and contradictory at best. Meaningless in the face of reality because they will be skewed for political reasons and you know it.
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No the stats are based on your belief while you chortled in disbelief that Blacks don’t own any businesses and don’t have any entrpuneural will compared to Asians and Whites, when the facts as stated by the Census bureau (I guess they have some weird agenda to prop up Black people) show:
An increase that outstrips the national average, The types of businesses that Blacks will own, And the level of education of some Black b business owners.
None of the information is contradictory but the second link shows that even when Black attempt to engage society as respectable members, opportunities were denied Blacks –in this case bailout money for small businesses, yet Whites got the bulk of it followed by you Asians and the little bit for Hispanics. But that can’t be racism, just Black with their usual tired race card and race excuses as to why they aren’t successful and law abiding like Asians. And of course, the reason can’t be that Blacks run bad businesses when the Census data clearly show not only an increase in Black owned businesses especially in the last 15 years, but their longevity and the fact that they stay in-service oriented fields which are more likely to be recession proof compared to Whites who actually lost out in finance and construction, yet Whites still get more money and entitlements, that you and other Asians think Blacks get at the expense of your own community.
The third link clearly shows that Blacks have always had a tradition in this country of an enetrpuenal spirit in business by choosing self employment due to the fact that racism and discrimination effectively shuts out a lot of blacks from accessing conventional work opportunities compared to Whites and Asians. Therefore the numbers aren’t skewed being as I did most of the work for you, while you were quite content to disparage the collective pathologies of Black people as not even remotely human, and laughing at the very idea that Blacks can also be productive law abiding citizens, business owners, with a high degree of intelligence and decency.
So since you and other Asians despise us and since we are gorilla in the mist animals, then as one commenter on the article you referenced about Black thugs beating up and killing defenseless old Chinese people, stated perhaps you all should enlist the help of the KKK to purge Blacks from your existence. You have the hook that will give you all the sympathy and justification from Whites, Asians, and Hispanics due to our propensity for violence, our hate crimes against your people and our incomprehensible level of depravity.
No one will stop any of you.
@ Chris
I respect your contribution to the dialogue. I highly respect you for seeing both sides of the conversation instead of immediately writing me off as a bigot simply because I verbalize things that many people are reluctant to say. And I also want to say that I fully understand the historical injustices black people have faced, the severe victimization, and the inequalities that persists to this day. I’m committed to stopping black-on-asian violence (and vice versa when it happens) and I’m sorry that the bad behavior of some black people unjustly reflects poorly on all black people. Obviously there are many law-abiding regular folks like you, but good people like you are not what I’m talking about right now. My current focus is on stopping violence, and stopping the apologists who rationalize the violence.
Another thing, I am not against interracial relationships at all. I could care less if asian women date black men. What I talked about earlier was a fringe culture unique to Japan. And as I said earlier, I would not label these women as “sluts” simply because they date black people. I’ve already said that I believe women are the sole owner of their sexuality. I merely assented that in Japan, within that particular culture, such women are viewed by their society as “sluts” because they do not conform to the “proper” behavior. Japan is a modern but still rigid society and people are expected to look and behave in a certain way. Schools in Japan still routinely check uniforms and have strict dress codes (you can’t even wear fancy socks). The ganguro girls wear excessive makeup, try to make their hair into fros, and artificially tan their skin very dark. In the eyes of proper japanese society, such girls and women are disrespectable. And no doubt many parents lament their child behaving in such a manner.
And by the way, I’m an asian female. And though I have met very pushy men, I can honestly say I’ve never gotten cussed out for turning a guy down. Here’s to hoping my lucky streak continues.
@steveb
I know asians with big lips too and it probably looks great on them. But *I* would cry myself to sleep if I had jolie’s lips due to my personal aesthetic preference. My earlier comment was in reference to my belief that it is possible to admire a physical trait without actually wanting it for yourself. It was to emphasize that LIKING something isn’t the same as WANTING something. I think Jolie’s lips looks great. But I would never want it for myself. It doesn’t suite my face because I have very delicate features. But that doesn’t mean I can’t notice the beauty of her lips. Do you know what I mean? Therefore it is possible for an asian person to find a white person attractive or a white person to find an asian person attractive without either person actually wanting to become the other’s race.
Most importantly, I highly disagree with your statement that the corporate glass ceiling has more to do with “vertical thinking” on the part of asian employees. The very fact that countless “creative” products from comics to videogames to technology are created by asian industries, or non-asian industries staffed by asian researchers who do more than mere “grunt work” prove asians are in no lack of ingenuity. And I don’t know how familiar you are with biotech research but there are countless ingenious research and novel ideas that are helmed by asian researchers of all nationality (including american). We are only taught the few “major” scientific discoveries in school and it is no coincidence that most of these discoveries where made by whites. But a well-rounded reader who learns beyond the narrow scope of school will realize innovation is a core aspect of asian culture and post industrialization era only taught asia to excel even faster or risk becoming irrelevant.
Because american society chooses to elevate the likes of athletes and actors over academics, no one other than those in the scientific community realize just how common it is to find asians with “non-vertical” thinking. Off the top of my head, I can think of one asian-american researcher who is currently studying for ways to fight HIV. HIV is a retrovirus with high mutation rate which makes it an extremely tricky bast*ard to fight. Definitely a formidable opponent for a formidable man.
Race, still affects asians but in very subtle manners. It is hard to notice because the racism is exercised by the process of eliminating asian people from public awareness and so how can anyone notice racism against asians if asians aren’t talked about or seen? And when asian people DO accomplish something that cannot be ignored, the racial identity of the person is sometimes obfuscated while the accomplishment is praised. To this day, it is common practice for hollywood to take asian stories with asian characters and completely replace the cast with whites. This has happened with COUNTLESS movies so I will only list the most recent example: The harrison ford movie about the researcher who found a cure for his sick child was actually based on a Chinese/Taiwanese researcher. It is standard practice to take plum asian-american narratives and wipe away the asian and replace it with the white.
there IS a persistant problem among non-asians when it comes to recognizing asian ingenuity. The belief that asians are hardworking but non-creative is a belief that’s been in the west since Chinese workers first came to this country because if asians were not only hard working but also INTELLIGENT, they’d pose too much a threat. In fact, if you read some of the things written in the 1800s about “the chinaman”, you’d find the exact same sentiment, just phrased with different language. The gist of their belief is that asians are well-behaved, servile, industrious, but not so independent in mind and behavior that they’d threaten the whites.
To explain away the lack of asians in high corporate positions as a result of some inherent lack of creative thinking is unfair. I’d like to remind you that it wasn’t that long ago when women were thought to be incapable of higher reasoning and indeed, there were no women in occupations that require education and intelligence. but when society made it legal for women to strive for more, more and more women became doctors, scientists, and researchers. The fact that there are women scientists today isn’t because women suddenly became more intelligent. It’s because society finally gave women the chance to excel.
Another problem that asian people are saddled with is the sole expectation of academic greatness. It’s a problem because anyone who has the gift to do something else faces an uphill battle. A Harvard asian american basketball player mentioned in his interviews that a lot of people find it incomprehensible that he enjoys basketball and more importantly, plays it well. In spite of his skills, he didn’t get a sports scholarship. And he also mentions that he often faces racial insults while on court, even in Ivy Leagu schools. The racist stuff he hears are the sort of things that’d create a huge scandal if directed at anyone but an asian person. Currently, another asian-american man has just been drafted into the NFL. He ALSO mentions having to fight people’s expectations.
What I find incredibly admirable in both these men is their ability to preserver in spite of low-expectations and obstruction by others. The basketball player’s attitude towards being on the receiving end of racial taunts was surprisingly mature. He handles it with grace. I’m not sure I’d be able to deal with such abuses without sinking to their level. The NFL player also said he was often ostracized growing up but his parents always told him that he simply had to learn to handle such things. What his mother told him was VERY chinese. She said to him that as long as he did the right thing, he will be noticed eventually. That’s a completely asian perspective.
Anytime New America Media is referenced it is a given it is political tripe. Stats can be skewed for any purpose and are used to veneer the truth. Your stats are meaningless in relation to the environment blacks inhabit.
Yes, there are black run businesses. There are no absolutes. So you explain why Koreans and others open businesses in black areas, try to make a honest buck, but are treated like crap by black clientele. Beaten, robbed, shoplifted from….
Why do cesspools like Oakland exist? Why do Philly black students assault Asian students? This is the kind of entrepreneurship blacks are famous for. The reputation is well deserved.
Even Jesse Jackson admitted it.
I already know what you are going to say.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/29/BAJL1D68SF.DTL&tsp=1
Time for you African-Americans to get your house in order. Embrace Bill Cosby, not lil wayne…oh, gosh, he’s in prison. Chris Brown…oh, wait, he beat Rihanna almost to death. Well then, tupac..oh wait, he was murdered. Maybe Kanye…oh wait, he did a racist outburst at the VMA against another performer…because she is white.
Athletes wouldn’t be much different.
The list is long and undignified.
Go figure.
Cheap talk, “venting” will achieve nothing until blacks decide to police their own…clean up their act. Until then, nothing will be achieved. Dialog…ya right. That’s the fix…cheap dialog. That’ll do it. That will bring my in-laws business back into a black area.
Right.
Lets do group hugs while we are at it. That will really fix the problem. And humpty dumpty was put back together.
Bottomline…when blacks get their house in order then the rest will follow.
LL…I wouldn’t expect you to be amenable…or amiable….or any able at all.
You simply live in denial.
Thus, we have found the crux of the problem in its entirety.
It really is a race war…and you are your own enemy.
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jm…my comment on vertical thinking is reality in the industry I am familiar with and it is a fact and a valid observation.
http://www.braingle.com/mind/222/lateral-vs-vertical-thinking.html
Case in point…Samsung typically creates multiple engineering teams to address a problem or a do a design…they essentially compete. This is effective because they are given marching orders to focus which narrows. Then all are evaluated and cherry picked. Breadth of each team is sacrificed for depth. Is it effective? You bet. Does it predict tunnel vision at the team level? You bet. Is it cost effective?…Samsung is certainly a very successful company so one could say yes.
But what it enables is vertical thinking at the cost of lateral thinking at the team level. I think the attached link explains it very well so ultimately one can argue that Samsung is wasting valuable engineering energy to come up with a final solution. This is how Samsung creates lateral in a vertical environment.
Typically western companies assign a engineering team to address a issue and are given the latitude to explore and are encouraged to think outside the box, make mistakes, experiment. No idea, how far fetched as it may seem, is not worth considering.
Different approaches to realize solutions and both have pros and cons. I also speak of what works with the company I am attached in our environment. Industries may vary…I do know what works in our work environment. Dealing with Singapore to a large degree, we feel some of their engineering approaches are overly vertical and confining….sometimes costly in time and money.
Having said that…we are highly dependent upon each other to get our stuff manufactured and delivered…quality intact and on time. We are the mother ship and we had a huge learning curve towards learning to effectively interact with the Singapore engineering discipline. Come to Jesus meetings just didn’t bear fruit but the partnership approach allows us all to see the forest and not just trees. But our economies of scale just aren’t great enough to assign multiple engineering teams to create magic.
Leadership wise, I think highly qualified Asians have been denied access by their individual track record of overly rigid vertical thinking to problem solving in our work culture.
Also, I do not think Asians are not creative. That is baloney. But I believe that cultural structures enables more rigid thinking in many arenas. Straight “roads” are preferred over curved. Given the latitude, nothing is impossible. The key is latitude.
My wife and I have to be the perfect couple complementary wise because we went through what I believe to be an amazing metamorphosis of two entirely different approaches to where we have become relatively singular without losing our distinct thought processes. She is VERY creative and I am more disciplined, although probably not enough for her.
Individually,
Both cultures offer wonderful qualities. It appears the problem within races comes from each believing the stereotypes and lies feed by the white man, especially about the black man. Asian’s can be closed and less willing to explore new cultures especially black. I’d have to say that most black people do not view asians as financially superior, as implied by the author. We as astute to know when an individual or group is going through tough times. And you are. Perhaps, those stores enhancing their economic fitness, would do well to sponsor community events and show some kind of love back to their customers.
Good luck in the East bay
~ San Jose, CA
@Steveb
I’m going to keep this short because I’d like to do other things tonight too.
I’m going to use game consoles as an example. Xbox360 is made by microsoft while PS3 is made by Sony. Both are current gen consoles and both, except for some exceptions, can play the same games. Except PS3 has higher specs and a higher cost whereas xbox has lower specs and lower costs. What the two consoles are competing over is the gamer’s preference for quality vs affordability.
In my opinion, it seems like microsoft is the one with the lateral thinking here. I really don’t buy your lateral thinking argument but if that’s what you believe then so be it.
lol bigblacksexy…blame it on whitey. That’s the problem. It is the white man’s fault those thugs murdered Mr. Yu. Ya, right. Those stereotypes and lies “feed” by da white man is da real problem.
So you are expecting handouts (under the guise of “community events” to show some “kind love” back to customers….meaning black customers) from the people you rob, steal, and assault?
Funny, my in-laws are under no expectations to show “kind love” via “community events” and showing in their present business location. I wonder why that is. Maybe we as astute to know.
Get real. You ARE the problem.
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fact is blacks have a hard time getting along with everybody. too many blacks and your school or neighborhood or team or whatever is ruined. why? who knows? i know its not fair to some indivisuals and i am painting with a broad brush but the fact is that american blacks as a whole tend to be lazy, stupid, irresponsible, impulsive, undisciplined, prone to crime, drugs and violence, dirty, smelly, loud, rude, crude, obnoxious, etc. and they always want to blame somebody else for their own failings and shortcomings. its no wonder they aren’t accepted by any other people. you can try and begin with an open mind but soon they will ruin it for you and you don’t want to associate with them. its a pity but thats the way it is. and thats not fair to many fine black individuals but as a whole they just don’t measure up to whites, asians, mexican, indians, mid-easterners, latins, et al… if they would begin to act better they would eventually be accepted. most of them are probably okay. its probably a minority that ruin it for all of them. too bad really.
mark, your comments are incredibly racist. they depend upon unfounded racial stereotypes against blacks. they are not based on fact or even basic common sense, and do not contribute to the quality of debate i expect on this blog.
if you want to participate in comments on this blog, you need to do better than to spout fantastic, unsupported, ridiculous racial stereotypes disguised as “fact”.
The folks from Model Minority never disappoint.
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